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Meet Toure, the Kim Kardashian of Social Commentary

by Dr. Boyce Watkins

Oddly enough, I woke up this morning wondering about the enigma who calls himself “Toure.”  No last name, just “Toure.”  I normally wouldn’t be spending my time writing solely about another person, but out of respect for serious political analysts that white television networks tend to ignore, I had to discuss this issue out loud.

Toure of MSNBC is the man who has every intelligent black person in America wondering why he’s on TV, myself included.   There are no credentials in his background which lead you to believe that he should be defining the direction of national thought on serious political issues (the bio I found says that he dropped out of Emory University in 1992).  He also seems to say things for entertainment, rather than substantive, value and doesn’t seem to take his work all that seriously.

I’ve heard grumblings from political science experts who can’t get two seconds of airtime on national TV, and I feel bad for them.  Usually, their concerns are expressed about men like Roland Martin, whose Masters Degree in Christian communications seems to make him a better fit for the 700 Club than CNN.  But actually, I usually defend Martin, whose time as a journalist in the political hotbed of Washington DC gives him the background necessary to give opinions worth listening to.  This doesn’t mean that many of our brilliant black political science professors, attorneys, or judges would not be better suited to speak on American politics (after all, their backgrounds in the field are quite extensive), but Roland at least takes his role (and himself) quite seriously.

Toure, on the other hand, offers the kind of empty insights that make you wonder what the 23-year old television producer was thinking when she booked him to discuss the intricacies of African American politics. The man who hunts for his next soundbite like a teenage girl trying to find the coolest Coach purse, doesn’t seem to know how to make his remarks without saying something that appears to be flat-out stupid.  Some might even consider him to be a simple-minded clown.

Case-in-point:  When Toure and I were on CNN debating Tyler Perry films, I thought we were there to have a productive dialogue about Perry’s work.  I don’t watch most of Perry’s films, and some of it is certainly questionable, but I respect that Tyler is trying to connect to his audience in what he believes to be a helpful way.   I also wanted to show some respect to the millions of people who watch Perry movies, many of them being intelligent, conscientious black people who just happen to think that Madea is funny.

Toure didn’t care to go beyond one syllable thinking on the matter, simply referring to Perry films as “Cinematic malt liquor for the masses.”

In addition to these “brilliant” remarks, Toure was also the man who got into a Twitter argument with Roland Martin and joked about Martin not being able to have any kids, which was a low and unnecessary blow.  I admit that I wonder how Toure is aware of another man’s fertility status, and I also wonder what Roland’s ability to have kids has to do with the issue they were discussing at the time.   In another interesting Toure highlight, there was the moment when he stated that Mitt Romney was trying to “niggerize” President Obama.  Just a day later, Toure whimpered out the kind of pathetic apology that would only be uttered by a sad little man begging to keep his job.

I refer to Toure as the Kim Kardashian of social commentary because both Toure and Kim are the kinds of fascinating cartoon characters who are famous for damn near nothing.  His talent is that he is able to make white folks keep him propped up as a relevant black face when everything on his resume says that he’s disgustingly unqualified.  He enters debates with brilliant and well-trained scholars like Michael Eric Dyson with nothing more to say than “I agree with what he just said.” Seeing Dyson debating with Toure is like watching Denzel Washington perform Shakespeare with Young Jeezy.

I also admit that it’s difficult to take someone seriously when they don’t even have a last name.  The name “Toure” is the sort of name that would be connected to an entertainment-based, diva-like personality, like “Madonna” or “Prince.”  It’s not the name that would be attached to a man responsible for serious socio-political commentary that shapes the way millions of people think and the way white people perceive an entire black community.

Toure started off as an entertainment writer, and perhaps that’s where he belongs.  He should be writing about Soulja Boy’s new girlfriend or MC Hammer’s comeback album, and has little business commenting on the presidential election or matters that should be preserved for analysts who don’t use stage names.  Thought leaders like Dr. Wilmer Leon, Professor Michael Fauntroy, Dr. Bryant Marks and MIT-educated Dr. Julianne Malveaux should be defining the direction of black America, not the modestly-educated guy who looks like he’s planning to drop an album.

Forgive me for stating the obvious when it comes to Toure, but networks need to respect black experts who know what the hell they’re talking about, and not just chase after their favorite go-to negro who entertains them the most.  Times and issues are too serious for this kind of buffoonery, and it’s time to call it for what it is.

 Dr Boyce Watkins is a Professor at Syracuse University and founder of YourBlackWorld.net. He also stars in the Janks Morton film, “Hoodwinked,” with Steve Perry, Marc Lamont Hill and Jawanza Kunjufu. To have Dr. Boyce commentary delivered to your email, please click here.

 

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  23. I’ve read four articles on this site so far…not a lot just four and all from bitter hating men. WTH is wrong with you people
    this dr boyce has been popping up in my feed a lot lately and each post sounds like a sixteen year old girl. Does it make you feel good to ‘slam’ folks or shame them? Geesh grow up dude

  24. Shame on all these black people in the media(including Dr Boyce Watkins) for turning every disagreement into a gang style firing circle. This should be for Toure and Mr Smiley to address, everyone else should stay out. It is only negective energy. I have never seem so many men acting like a bunch of Hoodrats. It is like you mess with my girl, so now all her friends are jumping in the fight.

  25. boyce, boyce , boyce sir TOURE IS A FUK BOY ,BUT SO ARE YOU.
    .
    HAVE YOU READ ANY OF THESE STUPID SELF HATING ARTICLES YOU POST ON THIS SITE.
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    ALL OF THE BLACK MEDIA SUCKS EXECEPT FOR.
    http://www.blackagendareport.com/
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    I AM READING NEWSONE,LOOP 21,THE GRIO AKA THE GRINGO AND NOT ONE OF THEM HAS A STORY ON HOW TO IMPROVE MY LIFE HERE IN RACIST AMERICA, OR A STORY ON HOW CAN I LEAVE HERE.

  26. toure s just the coon way of spelling tu rd.
    i mean they beez the same colour right?
    $h!tskin poo flingers have peanut sized brain
    ookin n eekin bouts racism.

  27. No one is saying that Toure's opinions don't matter. But when we're seeking well-informed opinions on politics, he's a dilletante. And maybe Watkins is being elitist in attacking the guy's name and coolness — that does say more about who Watkins is rather than anything about Toure. But what's racist is not Watkins challenging Toure's bonafides, the racism is that with all the BRILLIANT brothers and sisters out there who could contribute to a national dialogue, the networks pick a lightweight. That's a shame. And a degree doesn't mean you're smart necessarily. But a person posting up as a know-something should have depth, if not from a degree, but a lifetime of reading on the subjects up for discussion — politics, gender, socio-economic, etc… I don't think an entertainment reporter/writer can bridge that gap — sometimes you need to know how to stay in your lane.

  28. What Watkins is talking about is a racist and reductive tendency of mainstream media to pick pundits who have questionable backgrounds and little concrete qualifications or experience to be in the position of implied expert or deep thinker. This issue goes beyond color — why are college drop-outs like Limbaugh being listened to either? I read Watkin's article. While it's a bit mean, it isn't inaccurate, and who Watkins needs to talk to isn't Toure. He should be addressing this to whatever network(s) has put Toure in this position. What's your criteria? How'd this guy qualify? Is it that he gives good face? And while it IS in poor taste to just attack the person, Watkins isn't guilty, like Toure, of being out of his depth but wading in deep to get paid. Only issue I have with Watkins is he dogs Toure when he should be dogging his employers.

    • When I read about the 23 year old producer who hired him… What was SHE thinking, I kinda put 2 and 2 together.

    • That commentary was a whole lot… I am mildly irritated with the presumption of the Watkins bourgeoisie that only a few of the "authentic" and "appropriately lettered" can speak for "us". Toure is not my favorite, but he does not make me itch (like Tavis Smiley always did)…

    • Frankly, I think Watkins is jealous of Toure's youth and hipness or something which is why he singled out Toure since i think we can question why are all most pundits white and male. And he's a bit snarky even when he mentions Roland Martin (who is a bit pompous). And I, for one, NEVER understood Tavis Smiley's popularity who always came off as insincere and suspect.

  29. lmao at those so closed minded that they are jealous of a man who does not in fact cater to the eurocentric stereotype of what black education and politics should look like…..if you don't like how he does it…get a platform and do it better…..otherwise you are hating on this man or at least being a crab in a bucket……call it what you want but he is where he is…and you are not….so, you mad? You upset? Do better or sit down and shut up. Just because he doesn't look like, sound like or do it like you does not make him wrong…if so we are all wrong for not being able to be white right……..an individual can be just that and if people are intelligent as the pretend to be they can follow along with whoever and still be able to make a sound opinion on their own without needing the opinion of another.

  30. Toure is a revered African name. Why would you express such disdain for someone's name? Malcolm X has one name in some sense. Are you saying COMMON is not entitled to an opinion because he has one name? Do you deem the two Anglo names you inherited from some enslaver intrinsically superior to TOURE'S African name with its history of self-determination and legacy of resistance? You question Toure's right to have an opinion different from yours. Nowhere in this article do you say why his opinion is wrong. You just question his right to that opinion. Having a doctorate and being a Professor does not make you superior to anybody. I have a doctorate and I am an academic and I will judge Toure solely on the quality of his work and not on his credentials. I sincerely hope you do not go around the country spreading this benighted elitist attitude among our youth.

    • Speaking strictly based on his manner and how he comes across on air, I consider him the Stephen A. Smith of political pundits. He's angry all the time, but sometimes I wonder why. It may be because he has to sit next to that little scratchy-voiced twerp S. E. Cupp, who would test my last good nerve if I had to sit near her. That whole show is a little absurd. I wish news operations would pay less attention to packaging and more attention to content.

    • By the way, I just found out today that he does have a last name…it's Neblett. He's 41, which surprised me because he seems a good deal younger.

    • Marsha Weinschenker

      I was surprised when I first saw Toure on msnbc and wondered what he was doing there. Don't get me wrong; I like Toure, but for all the wrong reasons: he is cute and charming. I do not consider him an intellect and do find that he states his opinion as a conclusion, rather than as a starting point for dialogue. I agree with Charles Cavender that the show is weird, sort of like msnbc wanted to have a smattering of diverse voices, but to no particular purpose. I find it terribly disjointed and totally superficial. They've got their hottie right-wing chick and then they have Toure. To me it's all window dressing. But then, that's just my opinion.

  31. I think the easiest and most simple-minded way to respond to a critique that makes you uncomfortable is to say,"He just be hatin." Perhaps one day, we can encourage our people to think a little deeper than that.

    • Dr. Watkins, I gotta say that your article and perspective both sound a bit elitist and judgmental to me.

      Must One have a degree to have a sound perspective? Perhaps this man's perspective, albeit different from your own, does represent a segment of our population not held captive by the notion that "scholars" are necessary conduits toward the average man/woman forming an opinion.

      Though Toure, whom I don't know personally, may not have completed college, there are clearly tons upon tons of instances where people without formal education have provided the most sound advice and become the most successful in THE WORLD.

      I've not agreed with every opinion Toure has had, even on entertainment issues, but to imply that he isn't as worthy as a "scholar" is ridiculous.

      Toure ripped Piers Morgan TO SHREDS about his misunderstanding of race relations in America. NO ONE ELSE DID! Dr. Cornell West wrote a book on race that the average American could barely understand, including the educated among us.

      I often read writings from "scholars" that are without an oz. of passion. I hate that.

      Lastly, "scholars" perspectives aren't always smart, nor are they always TRUE.

    • Dr Watkins, do you really call what you wrote in this article 'deep thinking'? No sir, it is NOT.

    • Did he do a sex tape with Ray j too? !

    • i agree AND disagree. while it would seem toure doesnt belong on a stage with dyson, or martin, he is able to translate or reach a crowd who otherwise wouldn't be interested in what dyson or martin is saying. i'm not a fan of toure either, mainly because he comes off as unintelligent to me, too. however, i dont BELEIVE he is unintelligent. he communicates a little differently than the rest of you. theres nothing wrong with that.

    • Who's looking like the hater? NoH8! Leave this brother alone, let him do him, orrrrrrrr, simply don't pay him any attention!

    • Toure is a revered African name. Why would you express such disdain for someone's name? Malcolm X has one name in some sense. Are you saying COMMON is not entitled to an opinion because he has one name? Do you deem the two Anglo names you inherited from some enslaver intrinsically superior to TOURE'S African name with its history of self-determination and legacy of resistance? You question Toure's right to have an opinion different from yours. Nowhere in this article do you say why his opinion is wrong. You just question his right to that opinion. Having a doctorate and being a Professor does not make you superior to anybody. I have a doctorate and I am an academic and I will judge Toure solely on the quality of his work and not on his credentials. I sincerely hope you do not go around the country spreading this benighted elitist attitude among our youth.

    • Dr. Watkins, a tree doesn't grow from the top down. It's growth begins at the roots. Imagine if all African American scholars went into urban communities and helped them rebuild, helped them start from the bottom up? Imagine going to the grittiest areas, visiting prisoners and encouraging families? Imagine a movement that motivates, uplifts and inspires? That's what Martin did. That's what Malcolm did. Just a thought.

    • Tangwan Moss-McKinney

      Very true.

    • Dr. Watkins: I have followed your criticism of this young man before. I have to disagree. I find him very intelligent, well spoken and insightful.
      So what if he may use the slang of the day to get a point across. I take it you have never done this? His show is produced to increase political interest among the youth . Is this a generational problem with you. I know; it is the JZ could never compare with Earth Wind And Fire mindset.. I am happy for this young man, I think he is on a roll.

    • I think you are suffering from generation envy Dr. and I'm an old fart like you. This young man is good. Speaking of slang. What's your opinion of the dialogue that Travis and Cornell use. They slang it up as well. Let's discuss you a little bit. What's up with this scholar thing? you like to call yourself intelligent? It would be interesting to know what your readers think.

    • Get rid of the sweater vest. It is too Dr. Huxtable

    • Another liberal agenda monkey who believes racism is dead

    • Paul Lorenzo Davis

      too hilarious…so your issue with him is his lack of "academic" credentials that are on par with you and your contemporaries and his taking away "camera" time from you and other "black academics"? lol yeah no wonder you have issue with the words "hater" and "haterade" it may not be baroque description of you attitude toward others who have and opinion and get more "air time" but its sums it up quite conclusively

  32. THANK YOU previous poster! I unsubscribed just noticed browser was still here…. I'm out!

  33. I'm not the biggest Toure fan since he started popping up on television to speak about current events. However, in this entire commentary Dr. Boyce (who may be unaware that people often refer to him by just his first name, though I'm sure that's different because it has "Dr" in front of it) comes off as a hater. Perhaps he should be reminded to hate the game, not the player. Take some of that argument up with MSNBC and whoever else is giving Toure airtime. And let's be careful when we start talking about who is "qualified" to give an opinion. You don't need a Masters Degree in anything to offer your opinion, especially when asked for it. So don't be that uppity kneegrow in the room who waves a degree in the air as if that makes one a better human being. It doesn't. If we were to use Dr. Boyce's own "case in point" about showing up on CNN to debate Tyler Perry films while admitting "I don't watch most of Perry's films", one could throw that "qualified" argument right back in his face. And speaking of a " low and unnecessary blow" the good Dr. B. might want to issue apologies to Kim Kardasian for dropping her name for attention purposes (because she's not connected to any of this) and Roland Martin (for throwing a couple of jabs his way, just for sport). While I agree that Toure is often out of his lane when trying to speak on some of these social, news-worthy events, this commentary did little to make Dr. Boyce look better than him, which obviously was the point of it all. :-/

  34. I understand what you were saying but the whole "dropping out of Emory" thing didn't add any weight to your argument. It actually came off like academic hubris. Just sounds like you are hating on him. Plus shouldn't we all be attacking Mitt Romney at this point not other African-Americans supporting Obama?

    • Who's hatin on Toure?! What has he been doing to upset folks? I love him.

    • I generally find myself agreeing with Dr. Watkins but I couldn't quite grasp y he went in on the guy. It sounded kinda personal & I'm not really in the loop concerning y.

    • Toure's got a sextape? *rimshot*

    • "the kim kardashian of social commentary!" sad. lol

    • I think Jeezy would make a great Iago! LOL

    • By the way, Dr. Watkins may have given Tyler Perry his next project. Denzel & Jeezy does Shakespeare with Madea!

    • I think it is the same as when CNN gave DL a political show. I don't have a problem with DL. He is a comedian, Toure is an entertainment writer. For me the issue is that we do not have enough black pundits, advisors and other politicos on tv. Not that they don't exist. There are enough that know what they are talking about to fill the airways rather than relegate those few spots that we are given to comedians and entertainment writers. We are intellectual as a community and deserve serious commentary about serious issues and the future that is at stake too.

    • He's so annoying though, lol.

    • He totally is Brandie Mill. I'm not the biggest Toure fan but I think Dr Watkins could have spent his energy addressing something that mattered. I hear he's a bit of a diva himself. But I'm not hating on any of the brothers.

  35. Toure possesses more general knowledge than 90% of oft-used 'black commentators.' Very amusing the way you try to compare him unfavorably to the most tired, overused, but oh-so importantly 'qualified' 'go-to negroes.'….Hmmm: I needs me some insight —— so bring on……. Dr. Malveaux! (lol!)

  36. I'm with Toure where Tyler Perry is concerned.

  37. There is always the tendency in the cultural milieu of beige america to take one individual from the Black community and use them as the outlet for plugging into power currents of Black Culture. If you have ever been in that spot there is a feedback that fries the connection. This happens because you cannot frame another’s culture in your own terms. Even a resident culture that is subliminally objectified by the inquisitors is a mystery that presents itself like a vortex that cannot be safely examined without being sucked in. The ultimate realization is the “We are no longer in Kansas Toto.” The truth can be a reality bending trip to those who are going blind and reaching for the shape and dimensions of the universe. Beige Culture is a culture that is blinded by it’s own hype and cannot see that it is stepping on many toes when it needs guidance to where it can function. You cannot make anyone see who is not willing to take their sleep mask off.

  38. I read the article and watch MSNBC regularly, I fail to see what Toure has done that is so egregious that it warrants this kind of public tongue lashing. On TV at any given moment there are at least 100 poorly prepared inarticulate people speaking about politics, so this begs the question Why is Toure such an issue here? The comparison to Kim Kardashian is both shady and a false equivalency. KIm Kardashian was "caught" in a sex tape and is famous for exploiting her money body and lifestyle..Toure may in some circles be under qualified to hold his positions, but his choice to be on MSNBC and lift his voice to the discussion of social and civil betterment from a minority perspective elevates him from the status of a fame grabbing socialite immediately. The things in the article he said about Tyler..Roland…Obama…are not unique or outstanding…and he is in good company with people who have been shut down by Micheal Eric Dyson…so my question is…What is the REAL issue with Toure? Because this can't be all there is. *Suspicious Side Eye*.

  39. In response to Toure, being an on air commentator. He is as good as Anderson Cooper, or Erin Bernhart. What are you looking for, he has good opinion and he knows his material. Tell me one thing that S.B. Cooper, or the other three people on that show that gives you any more information than Toure. He is very sincere,and up front with his information, and Kim Kardashiasn, or what ever her name is, she is another Romney. Stop hating you people out there read more and listen more, what does Kimmy, butt have to offer other than screwing everthing that has a zipper in the front and a swinging telepohone pole. Toure, is much better than anything on Faux news. Your only real good news people lefted is Ed Schult, an Rachel Maddax. CNN, rating are at the bottom of the pit. grow up and know ytour facts.

  40. White guy here and i love this article. First, i want to say that, in principle, this would apply to white people just as well – it does us no good to have uneducated clowns “spitting” ridiculous, inflammatory rhetoric in areas where we go for real news.

    That being said, this is just more proof that “the kids” are in charge at MSNBC and they’re less concerned with real news OR giving voice to positive black role models. You won’t find this talentless crap on the other news outlets but MSNBC sends to think its ok or funny?

    Think about it, black people, TOURE is MSNBC sees you. No respect. “Feed them a clown, they’ll love it.”

  41. I completely agree Dr. Watkins. Toure has no business discussing politics AT ALL.

  42. Jackie Rhinehart

    Thank you!

  43. Crabs in a freaking barrel…

  44. Can you say 'hating'? Why you may question his background clearly others find his opinion to be a valuable as it relates to young black Americans who so many times go unheard. While you don't have to agree with him the least you can do is respect his right to speak and be heard.

  45. Well said Watkins, couldn't agree with you more. As much as I don't care for Piers Mlorgans' analysis most of the time, the spat that Toure got in with Morgan several momths ago cemented Toure's reputation as an idiot. What would be te harm in having a real, qualified and intellegent African American on CNN? You know, someone with a last name?

  46. In our struggle for equality,self determination, respect and upward mobility. We need to hear from all types of voices. The real question is, when are we going to challenge the licenses of those who lease the public’s airwaves? As well as hold the advertisers accountable that support these entities, in their discriminatory practices.

  47. Where do I start? Ok let’s start here, You my friend are obsessed with Toure!! Who wakes up thinking about Toure, or anyone that isn’t in their life on a daily basis. You spewed so much hate in this article that I missed the point as to why you’re bothered, so I re-read it. After re-reading, you have no point! Those politicians that can’t seem to get on tv, need to work on their Public Relations. If you’re mad at Toure, then be mad at Anderson Cooper who never went to school for journalism but is a credible journalist, be mad at Gayle Oprah’s friend who has a show because she’s Oprah’s friend, I mean hell I can name quite a few people you can be bothered by who have positions in industries they did no studies for. Now, from my understanding Toure has been in the media as long as I can remember, and his position on politics is just as valid as the next persons. That’s all politics is full of, opinions, ideas, and rhetoric! If this is the case then Toure fits right in! Do yourself a favor, the next time you have time to write a piece like this, make it a positive piece and lend some credibility to yourself, because you lost me here. I don’t even know who you are!

  48. Well if you dislike Toure, than you should dislike our president. I agree with you in saying that Toure is not qualified to be giving his opinion on social political issues. With saying that I also believe that our current president is not qualified to be a US president. He’s done nothing but destroy our global US reputation as “weak and soft” and destroyed our economy. And please don’t bring up the whole Bush argument. He had 4 years to make at least an impact, instead he made it worst. The only reason why he’s going to win this year’s election is because Romney is no better. America needs a better leader and Obama is not the answer. 4 more years of this will crush the US and we’ll see how happy we will be when all is lost. So to sum it up base on your article, Toure is not just like Kim Khardasian, but he’s like president Obama. A guy who became president because he’s black.

    • Datdudejones: Well, I thought that I’ve heard stupid, irrational comments before, but you have just proved me wrong. Obama, has destroyed more of our enemies, than any President in the last 70 years, including Osama Bin Laden, but you accuse him of being weak. What do you want him to do, start more useless wars? As for the economy, when Obama took office, we were losing 700, 000 jobs a month. So first Obama, had to stop this job loss, and then he had to find a way to reverse this trend, and get companies to start hiring people. Yes, he has been in office for nearly 4 years, but it took Roosevelt over 8 years to get the economy rolling again, and he only achieved this, because of World War 2. So before you make these ridiculous statements, I suggest that you take a Civics, or history class, because you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.

  49. I agree with you on this one. Serious issues of the day call for serious analysis. While I can see the Pop culture flavor that the Cycle seems to pursue Toure really dosen’t bring much in that regard either.
    Study, analysis, and preparation seem to be absent with Toure. In fact I think he Just samples stuff.

  50. I agree with you on this one. Serious issues of the day call for serious analysis. While I can see the Pop culture flavor that the Cycle seems to pursue Toure really dosen’t bring much in that regard either.
    Study, analysis, and preparation seem to be absent with Toure. In fact I think he Just samples stuff.

  51. I agree with you on this one. Serious issues of the day call for serious analysis. While I can see the Pop culture flavor that the Cycle seems to pursue Toure really dosen’t bring much in that regard either.
    Study, analysis, and preparation seem to be absent with Toure. In fact I think he Just samples stuff.

  52. Touré was born Touré Neblett and has authored seeral Books, some have been best sellers.

  53. If Toure is all that was stated about him & being compared to Kim Kardashian, then it is not a stretch that he is on television!

  54. If Toure is all that was stated about him & being compared to Kim Kardashian, then it is not a stretch that he is on television!

  55. If Toure is all that was stated about him & being compared to Kim Kardashian, then it is not a stretch that he is on television!

  56. Although I sometimes do not agree with Toure he definitely understands the medium. Television is not a classroom, you do have to boil down your statements to get your point across to a wider audience. “Cinematic malt liquor for the masses” is a great statement because you immediately get it. As much as I respect Michael Eric Dyson, sometimes when I watch him on TV he’s talking waaayyy to fast and professorial– people stop listening immediately. So Dr. Watkins- don’t hate the player, hate the game.

  57. Although I sometimes do not agree with Toure he definitely understands the medium. Television is not a classroom, you do have to boil down your statements to get your point across to a wider audience. “Cinematic malt liquor for the masses” is a great statement because you immediately get it. As much as I respect Michael Eric Dyson, sometimes when I watch him on TV he’s talking waaayyy to fast and professorial– people stop listening immediately. So Dr. Watkins- don’t hate the player, hate the game.

  58. Dr. Boyce's criticism comes off as very personal and not constructive at all. I don't think any person Black, White or otherwise is beyond critique, but if a critique is delivered in such a personal way clearly designed to humiliate and insult rather than enlighten or pose a serious discussion, I think it loses it's credibility and makes the critiquer look like as big an asshole as he'd like us to believe his target is. And in this case, using a pithy soundbite like "The Kim Kardashian of Social Commentary" as the title or the articleis the height of hypocrisy. (I could probably dwell on his point longer if I could clearly get to it thru all the vitriol and cutesy name-calling.)

    • Interesting Anthony. Sounds a bit personal and like Dr. Boyce needs to stir the pot for his own attention. Maybe he should be cozying up to MSNBC more rather than taking a louieville slugger to one of it's political pundants and I mean pundants. It's not "real" news, just political opinion based on facts that have been skewed for liberal audiences, just like facts are skewed for conservative audiences. People need to take what all these individuals say with a grain of salt and make their own informed decisions based around their own lives. Toure is just being used as a scape goat by Dr. Boyce for the larger issue and that's many Americans' willingness to "follow" rather than to think, research, think, and form an opinion based on our own values. I don't think we do that enough anymore, as shown by teenagers quoting their favorite musician rather than claiming their own birthright of an individual voice, whether it be derived or not. At least Toure is taking his life and career by the reins. Whether people want to follow him or not isn't his problem, it's just his responsibility to ensure he values and honors the position that he's been granted via MSNBC.

    • Even better said. Damn Greg Payton – you go to college or something?! ; ) It is quite notable that he writes this really inflammatory shallow article just for the sake of attention and blog hits that criticizes someone else as a shallow attention-grabber. (FYI- I called him Dr. Boyce by mistake, but it's actually Dr. Watkins)

    • Even better said. Damn Greg Payton – you go to college or something?! ; ) It is quite notable that he writes this really inflammatory shallow article just for the sake of attention and blog hits that criticizes someone else as a shallow attention-grabber. (FYI- I called him Dr. Boyce by mistake, but it's actually Dr. Watkins)

    • Thanks Anthony!

    • …Did this watkins guy have anything to say about 'flavor of love'…that show should of been cancelled from the get….and the naacp got amos and andy cancelled…watkins going in on toure legitimizes him.

  59. He sucks. He sucked on MTV too. With people like Te-Nehisi Coates, Melissa Harris Perry, and others, myself included, why is he given 5 seconds if airtime. Trade him to Fox!

  60. you mad?
    http://randomgifs.com/images/oprah.gif

    and I don't even fully fux w/ Toure. but all the points made were eclipsed by the EMOTION behind them fully negating the unbiased-ness of this article. To the point I had to go back and re-read where you say you wake up thinking about Toure. Damn, you wake up thinking about this nigga? Damn.

    You salty is the bottom line fam. Clearly.

  61. Dr. Watkins has strong opinions. I tend to agree with him when he’s defending Dr. West’s and Tavis Smiley’s calling out Pres. Obama for Obama’s lack of attention to Black issues and on many other issues.But, a lot of what he says/writes is simply bullshit.Dr. Watkins DOES seeem to dislike Blacks who have jobs on cable television. He routinely puts down Rev. Al Sharpton, Melissa Harris-Perry,Pres. Obama,(he’s on T.V. a lot)and now Toure’? I do believe that Dr. Watkins is jealous of these people. He often speaks/writes in a condescending tone when referring to people who do not have PHD’S. Toure is intelligent, articulate, and has opinions about things. Dr. Watkins should not trash other black people simply because he disagrees with them.

  62. Rashid Karim Ahmad

    Wow. This guy says it all. "Malt liquor for the masses?". I just had to laugh at that. Yeah, that is definitely an insult.

  63. As always I agree with u Dr. Boyce……

  64. I’m with you Raheem and Moonhead. I love the articles but this Boyce is a “hater”. Why is this publication is the only place you hear about Dr. Boyce ? Don’t get me wrong I love the articles, but hate reading some of the things that he says. No one is safe from his “critical mouth”. Just saying put the “Hate” on the back burner and then
    we might take you seriously.

    • @Ms Monica=

      You say: Why is this publication the only place you hear about Dr. Boyce?

      He’s been a so-called activist for years and the only accomplishment is YBW. What does that tell us about his career, leadership and common sense… other than he’s a loser!

  65. Ethan Garth Foster

    You are definately off the mark this time, I find Toure refreshing, and we should be inclusive and able to accept another youthful perspective.

  66. Since Toure first popped up on the scene, I have been wondering what made him the aficionado of all things black? I am glad to hear that Dr. Boyce feels the same way I do!

  67. The name “Toure” is the sort of name that would be connected to an entertainment-based, diva-like personality, like “Madonna” or “Prince.” — Doc

    Toure is a traditional, and very honorable name in West Afrika. The legendary Samory Toure militarily defended his homeland against the French. Samory’s grandson, Ahmed Sekou Toure led Guinea to independence and became its first president. Our Esteemed Ancestor, the revolutionary Stokely Carmichael changed his name to Kwame Ture to honor Kwame Nkrumah and Sekou Toure.

    In America sociopolitical commentary is more about entertainment than critical thinking. Karl Marx said, “Religion is the opiate of the masses.” Entertainment is the opiate of the masses in America.

    Not that it really matters, but the most successful person in the “commentary industry,” Rush Limbaugh, has no academic credentials. Sharpton has a last name. Does that make him a credible journalist?

    Thought leaders will never be featured in the MSM, because American politics is the science of deception; the antithesis of ethics, and a cesspool of prostitution. The MSM plays a vital role in this process.

    Fascism is the merger of big business with the State and there is no better example of this than America’s mainstream media. They operate on the propagandistic principles of Paul Joseph Goebbels: “It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    The abundance of empty heads in the MSM play a critical role in stifling dissent. That’s why we have alternative media. We better use it to our advantage before it is shut down.

  68. You Mad?

  69. After the Morgan interview. Toure has my respect

  70. I felt that you were being hard on Toure.

    • You are being too hard on the young man. He is not the Kim whatever of social commentary. Your comparison is not fair. Do not grudge the young man his 15 minutes of fame.

  71. The American people particularly black folks have been conditioned to believe in our self-absorbed, narcissistic, egotistical culture that any knock against a person no matter how much it can be substantiated can and should be dismissed as 'hatin'.

    Thus, real analysis of character and more importantly, true self-reflection never happens.

  72. YISRAEL, BEING WHO WE ARE, WE EXPECT TO BE RIDICULED AND MOCKED BY MANY. BUT WHEN WE DO DUMB SH*T THAT MAKES THEIR DAY, WE CAN'T BLAME ESAU. WE HAVE TO BLAME OURSELVES. TOURE, SHOULDN'T USE THE TERM "NIGGERIZE" WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A BLACK PRESIDENT TO A WHITE (AND LATINO) AUDIENCE. AND DON'T TALK TRASH ABOUT A BROTHER WITH A BLACK WIFE WHEN YOU PROUDLY STOMP WITH A WHITE ONE WHILE PRETENDING TO BE PRO-BLACK TO GAIN BLACK FANS. THAT'S NOT ONLY SAYING WE AREN'T INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO SEE WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON. BUT IT'S ALSO SAYING A LOT ABOUT YOUR CHARACTER THAT MAKES ME WONDER IF YOU NEED TO REFER BACK TO YOUR COMMUNICATION OR SOCIOLOGY TEXT BOOK TO SEE WHAT REALISM (EXACTLY) ARE YOU LACKING? http://www.hebrewisraelites.org/deut28.htm

  73. It’s a shame that you couldn’t find something more positive to concern yourself with on a Sunday. Maybe you should look up the rules on proper usage of the comma before you criticize someone else. Don’t worry about Toure’s academic credentials. Your poor writing makes me question your academic background. If you have an issue with the man, at least have the decency to take it up with him personally. You are nothing more than a crab in a barrel.

  74. Plain and simple this is called, PLAYER HATING! DR. Boyce, lets see you step into the arena of network TV and go for yours. Kim Kardashian entered the media big time via a sex-tape co-starring Ray J. Toure has published several books and numerous articles on various pop culture and political issues and has commentated for numerous networks.

    Maybe your role in the film "Hoodwinked" will get you noticed by some TV folks and you too may get a shot to be a significant commentator. Good Luck but put that Hator-Ade DOWN before you choke!

  75. Fuck Toure. All Day.

  76. I meant, Toure, and not You're.

  77. You're is an embarrassment to Black people everywhere. I have often axed myself many of the things Boyce Watkins stated in his essay.

  78. The problem is that both Watkins and Toure are inappropriate as representatives of the Black Community. They are both narcissists. They are only concerned about themselves and opportunistically use the Black Community to serve their purpose. Even the names he gave as intelligent representatives are opportunistically implausible for what we as a people are experiencing in a white supremacist nation. I really don’t understand the value system operating among such persons as Toure, Watkins, Sharpton, Jackson, etc. It is highly Eurocentric — individualist, materialist, competitive, etc. We need to clean house and uplift everyday folks and leaders who fear God for real…..

  79. Guilty or not, there’s a lot of evidence implicating Toure as a Cointelpro media asset. That evidence is discussed by by John Potash in his book, “The FBI War on Tupac Shakur and Black Leaders.” That evidence is discussed on the site StorifyStorify
    ____________________________________________
    Yep. In a prison, it is illogical to trust a cellmate. When the guards show up with their torture kit ready to extract healthy teeth without anesthesia from you and your dear ones OR to give you a year’s supply of fresh produce and quality dental care—-except in the very rare instance, you know how it’s going down. I was once made an “offer.” I didn’t take it. But, I’m not so arrogant to say there is nothing that wouldn’t scare me enough to buckle. Nor am I arrogant enough to publicly say what I think my buckling point might be. PRISONS MANUFACTURE SELL-OUTS. Let’s replace the global open-air prison of white supremacy with one of justice.

  80. I was reading the comments. So I guess toure's comment "NIGGERIZING OBAMA" is accepted by most of you? That explains a lot about his fan base.

    • funny you mentioned it when none of us did…you even spelled it right……wow…..that's why he's where he is and you are where you are…you may not like him….but he's in a higher position than you….now what?

  81. I know toure. I have to hear him say the n word everytime i see him in peson in fort greene. I try to cross the street.

    He really doesnt know what the fuck he is talking about on tv. Its really humiliating to see him on there. His last name is niblet which is pretty emasculating last name, but he convinced the phone company to make his caller id come up “toure x” when he calls you.

    Gaw, that guy sucks. He really got in trouble outing people arguing with peirs morgan. He is very lucky nobody outs him.

    PS: it is 2012. Crabs in a barrel doesnt apply here and Toure wouldnt cross the street to spit on you.

  82. Why don't you STOP attacking Black folks. First it was Melissa Harris-Perry. Now you attack toure. You make your self look like a fool.

  83. Toure is a buffoon who discredits the black race with the vocabulary that he practices in the mirror. Why does he get on tv????.. Because white media lives the display

    • Jackie matthews, can you please tell us exactly what you find wrong with Toure”s vocabulary, could it be that he doesn’t use Ebonics when conversing? Exactly what has this black man done, to deserve your hateful, and tasteless critique, could it be that he acquired a prominent job on TV, while you have not been able to find employment for yourself? Please, tell us one damn thing this black brother has done to disgrace black people? I watch his show daily, and this man supports and defends our people’s interests, and has never done anything demeaning, or disrespectful toward us. If you think you see a buffoon , when you look at this man, it’s only in your mind, because you are really looking in the mirror.

  84. Guilty or not, there's a lot of evidence implicating Toure as a Cointelpro media asset. That evidence is discussed by by John Potash in his book, "The FBI War on Tupac Shakur and Black Leaders."
    ____________________________________________
    Yep. In a prison, it is illogical to trust a cellmate. When the guards show up with their torture kit ready to extract healthy teeth without anesthesia from you and your dear ones OR to give you a year's supply of fresh produce and quality dental care—-except in the very rare instance, you know how it's going down. I was once made an "offer." I didn't take it. But, I'm not so arrogant to say there is nothing that wouldn't scare me enough to buckle. Nor am I arrogant enough to publicly say what I think my buckling point might be. PRISONS MANUFACTURE SELL-OUTS. Let's replace the global open-air prison of white supremacy with one of justice.

  85. Guilty or not, there's a lot of evidence implicating Toure as a Cointelpro media asset. That evidence is discussed by by John Potash in his book, "The FBI War on Tupac Shakur and Black Leaders."
    ____________________________________________
    Yep. In a prison, it is illogical to trust a cellmate. When the guards show up with their torture kit ready to extract healthy teeth without anesthesia from you and your dear ones OR to give you a year's supply of fresh produce and quality dental care—-except in the very rare instance, you know how it's going down. I was once made an "offer." I didn't take it. But, I'm not so arrogant to say there is nothing that wouldn't scare me enough to buckle. Nor am I arrogant enough to publicly say what I think my buckling point might be. PRISONS MANUFACTURE SELL-OUTS. Let's replace the global open-air prison of white supremacy with one of.

  86. Guilty or not, there's a lot of evidencei mplicating Toure as a Cointelpro media asset. That evidence is discussed by by John Potash in his book, "The FBI War on Tupac Shakur and Black Leaders."
    ____________________________________________
    Yep. In a prison, it is illogical to trust a cellmate. When the guards show up with their torture kit ready to extract healthy teeth without anesthesia from you and your dear ones OR to give you a year's supply of fresh produce and quality dental care—-except in the very rare instance, you know how it's going down I was once made an "offer." I didn't take it. But, I'm not so arrogant to say there is nothing that wouldn't scare me enough to buckle. Nor am I arrogant enough to publicly say what I think what my buckling point might be. PRISONS MANUFACTURE SELL-OUTS. Let's replace the global open-air prison of white supremacy with one of justice–now.

  87. Please get rid of the POP-UP java scripts ADVERTISEMENTS…

    You are destroying peoples machines…

    We understand you need to make money from the WHITE PERVERTED CATHOLIC, but not at the expense of destroying my machine…

    I am sure you can hire a few good BLACK programmers who can embed your ads without them being so DAM intrusive…

  88. Rosa Park, Bro Malcolm, Ali had no degrees, do you believe that at any point in your life you could have frame our issues better then they. On this very day you have a piece call men gossip more them women. I have not and I will not read it. If you want to be taken serious you might leave that crap out. MSNBC is a left leaning cable station, black blue dogs, and hanging out with Steve Perry will not help much.

  89. Rosa Park, Bro Malcolm, Ali had no degrees, do you believe that at any point in your life you could have frame our issues better then they. On this very day you have a piece call men gossip more them women. I have not and I will not read it. If you want to be taken serious you might leave that crap out. MSNBC is a left leaning cable station, black blue dogs, and hanging out with Steve Perry will not help much.

  90. Read what John Potash (a white man) has to say about Toure, in his book, The FBI War on Tupac Shakur and Black Leaders. If you haven’t that much time, some of Potash’s research on Toure is published at the site Storify.

  91. Dr watkins
    I think you are being a little hard on toure.
    I think hes entertaining and is as good or better that his co hosts.
    One is a conservative ex ballet dancer and another is former candidate for congress.
    If you look at fox news you see nothing but right wing haters.
    I think toure makes more sence than all of them put together.

  92. You sound very angry. Real leaders inspire others to be better; not belittle them. I understand that starting a feud is a great way to increase your social revenue but you're no different than any other person trying to make a name for themselves. You're preying on your fellow black man Professor. On another note: your Hip-Hop insight into Nicki Minaj and BET was a very thought provoking article…a tad bit hypocritical no?

  93. Watkins makes some good points…the question I have for “bona fides” and “credentialed” brothas is…What is stopping them from speaking out? Publishing a book is as easy as ever. Owning one’s own blog and vlog channel is easy as ever (as evidenced here). The production of that voice…as easy as ever.

    The answer is that as soon as someone attains position, they begin the life-long process of protecting it. Why lament bona fides not being on MSNBC when, if used correctly, it’s Social Media that has more power these days and MSNBC that’s fighting for position. “Matthews” pulls in a top 1.1 mill rating now in this election season. The same with Maddow. But we have all year to push, comment, connect and distribute ideas. Why not put together a Ustream broadcast of a big headed round table once a week? NASA used Ustream for Curiosity’s Mars landing and we can’t scramble a decent Intel-Cast? To me most Black promoters on Facebook have more hustle than political intellectuals waiting for the invitation to be a “made man” by traditional outlets. If Toure ain’t the guide then burn your own path. #mytwocents.

  94. Not a fan of Boyce or Toure. Watkins needs to change the title. KK loves black men, Toure disparages black women. The analogy is incomplete.

  95. I am disappointed by this article by Dr. Boyce Watkins. I was not expecting to read such an article, that is giving me a different nature of the person that I admired till I read this. Is this a social analysis or a personal one? If Toure was not doing well, why wasting so much energy and negativity on him? What is the issue here? Is there any crime to be Toure and to entertaining people on MSNBC on his one way? Do we all need to be from a certain educational background to give our opinion on national TV? What is wrong with someone calling himself “Toure”? He (Dr. BOYCE WATKINS) is making Toure looks big by writing some non sense about him. This is far too low for someone wanting to be a serious commentator on national TV himself. Too judgemental and personal=subjective.

  96. Wow Boyce, are you that upset for not having a TV gig that the only thing you could do was lash out at Toure?

    Why are you angry with Toure for having a job on MSNBC? Just like a crab ass Negro, attack the brother instead of the white producer who controls the hiring.

    I found it interesting when you said, the 23-year old television producer, WHY NOT MENTION HER NAME? If someone is at fault, your attack should have been aimed at the white executives who control the hiring.

    Oh..my bad, because if you ever criticized the white executives by name for hiring the black people (who have the TV jobs that you jealously desire), THEN YOU WOULD NEVER GET A JOB ON TV. So take your frustations out on Toure, Sharpton, Harris-Perry and Dyson. We do notice you never criticize anyone on CNN due to your occasional appearence.

    Wake up Boyce, white folks don’t need another ESPN Michael Wilburn looking ass Negro like you on TV. In addition, you have attacked every black person working on TV, (excluding Roland) therefore you have no friends and will never get a TV job. Bill Mayer would have been the perfect format for you, but your dumb ass messed that up too. Work on your communication skills brother. lol

    So please let it rest and stop trying to pit us against one another with this Toure crap when we should be fighting the man instead of ourselves.

    • Raheem, my brother, I couldn’t have agreed with you more. This Crab Ass Negro Boyce, is just envious that no reputable network, would even think of offering him a job. He is not qualified to even clean the floors of one of these studios, let alone be one of the host. I watch Toure every day, and I find his commentaries to be astute, honest, intelligent, and very well founded. He also speaks up and defend our people’s interests. The black people that find fault with him are just mad, that he is not a race hustler,like this scum Boyce, who wouldn’t even have a job at Syracuse, were it not their fear of firing him, because he would cry racism. I am not surprised that Boyce is trashing, and hating on this brother,because he did the same thing to Rev. Al Sharpton, when he was first mentioned as a candidate for his job on MNBC, and he did the same thing to Melissa Harris Perry. If Toure, is unqualified, then so is Tavis Smiley. What I am surprised about, is all of these other stupid ass commenters, that is following his lead, and hating on one of our own, just because he is not ghetto enough for their taste. Well Toure, is an intelligent, astute, and well educated brother, that represents us very well, but I guess some of you don’t like him because he doesn’t blame whitey enough for your taste. If you continue to follow this loser Boyce,by denigrating, and hating those of us that want better things for our people, twenty years from now, you’ll be just as bitter, and hateful as this dumb ass Boyce guy, and still won’t have shit.

  97. Hey Dr. Boyce, will there be a twitter war between you two? Please share.

  98. Hey Dr. Boyce, will there be a twitter war between you two? Please share.

  99. Dr. Boyce, you are not alone in your analysis. I say that with respect to you and Touré.

    "Thought leaders like Dr. Wilmer Leon, Professor Michael Fauntroy, Dr. Bryant Marks and Julianne Malveaux should be defining the direction of black America, not the modestly-educated guy hoping to break into Hollywood."

    — Dr. Boyce Watkins

    • Well said, Tony. I tend to keep my opinions to myself when Blacks are comparing and contrasting their credentials, however, it is evident that our voice in the media is not respected and can be denoted by their panel "experts" representing the Black vote. I commend Dr. Watkins for having the gumption to state the obvious.

    • Malcolm X was modestly educated and I will take him over all the names you listed. And I deeply respect all the names on that list. Judge Toure, or anybody else, not on their credentials but on the quality of their work and their contributions. I will take Toure over the Ivy League educated Thomas Sowell or Shelby Steele any day of the week.

  100. TOURE IS AN ENIGMA BECAUSE…..HE CAME FROM ENTERTAINMENT OUTLETS, BEFRIENDED A FEW PEOPLE THAT PROVIDED HIM “A HOOK” TO GET BRIEF AIR TIME AT MSNBC. You know the saying, it’s not what you know, it’s whom you know…..maybe he comes cheap?

  101. Jerel Alexander Marshall

    Who are you to say that his opinion doesn't matter. Just because you have a degree doesn't make you better than anybody. It's just a slip of paper in a fancy wrapper. In many cases, you could say that what you went through to get that paper made you a better person. But I don't know if that can be said about you. You come across as very bitter and mad because he is cooler than you, and I am hardly familiar with the guys work. I understand your frustations but do better. And maybe you should listen to people that have different perspectives than your own. Not just Dr. Whomever and Dr. Whatsherface. Sometimes Janitor Bob and Collegedropout Kendra can be just as astute.

    • Jerel education does make a difference.

    • Jerel Alexander Marshall

      I agree with that. But I think the experience of education makes a difference. Our education system sucks pretty hard. Especially for minorities and people who think outside the box. I recently graduated from Georgia State University. But I think it's important to not lose sight of the importance of different perspectives. There is no need to talk down to someone just because they have a background that prevented them from accomplishing what I have "accomplished."

    • It's not the piece of paper that counts. Its having experience and knowingly ur field. Is it wrong to want an expert to actually be an expert? Did u not read the part where Dr. Boyce talks about the merit of experience as well as education. But Toure has no experience in politics in any way and no formal education…so what makes him expert enough to have a show? I want a math teacher to know math or a sports commentator to know sports? Ppl only cut corners when talking about African Americans and politics…cant even get us a real respected expert

    • Jerel Alexander Marshall

      Maya Randolph That's almost exactly what I said in my comment. My main point is that people who are "educated" can't lose sight of those who have different backgrounds. Dr. Boyce is not an expert on who should be allowed to share their opinions. Perspective is important. His statements are elitist and these are the type of arguments people used to hold back minorities. It's shameful that he would employ the same methods.

    • You're 100% right about different perspectives and how people should be treated. Intelligence has nothing to do with education, many times in my life I've seen the uneducated eat the lunch of the educated. But it's always better to be educated.

    • Education only makes the difference in how you sound, not what you say. I follow politics heavily, and I don't have a masters. My view and opinion are just as valid as anyone else's. So just to say that only people that went to college and grad school for political science or whatever are the only people qualified to give an opinion is laughable. It's an OPINION.

    • Wow, is there a way I can like your comment twice?
      To me, this sorta reads like a bitter "hit" piece, and it seems to be a little beneath Dr. Watkins' dignity to poke fun at Toure's supposedly vain name choice or previous experience as an entertainment reporter. His published work in TIME Magazine more than speaks for itself; the man has genuine breadth of thought and acuity as a social observer, which is a critical skill set to have as a modern political observer. Maybe Dr. Watkins' argument should call for additional seats at the televised punditry table for geniuses like Dr. Malveaux, rather than a cancelled reservation for Toure. He doesn't deserve that.

    • And experience in the matters that you speak of.

    • I'm not sure the issue of "opinion" is being debated here. Sure everyone is entitled to have/voice an opinion. But to have the knowledge AND experience to stand as a 'thought leader' on a particular subject is a vastly different notion, this is what Dr. Boyce is referring to. Toure is seen as a go to person for issues that perhaps others are more prepared to address. There's nothing wrong with stating that.

    • Dude, the simple fact is, what dr watkins said about toure is 100% correct……toure has no business commenting on politics…..and is not because of his lack of an educational pedigree…its simply because of the glaringly obvious fact that dude simply doesn't have the experience, and doesn't know what he's talking about because of a lack of said experience..

      Valid critcism doesn't necessarily equal hate..

    • Jerel Alexander Marshall

      If Dr. Watkins is so much more knowledgeable on the subject, that should have shone through on TV show. Then he wouldn't have had to come on here and write this mess. There is no excuse for being elitist and condescending.

    • @Jerel Alexander Marshall, your comments are appreciated. Most of the so called educated are Eurocentrically educated in our universities, and sometimes they are not your best person to speak for the African experience. Rev. Al Sharton and Rev. Jessie Jackson being cases in point.
      I am a college graduates, but fortunately for me I have been taught and I have read African centered scholars, Akbar, Van Sertima, Diop, John Clarke, ben jochhanan, Chancelor Williams, Harold Cruse, Chinweizu, Kwame Nkrumah, Claud Anderson, but then I'm showing off, suffice it to say, I am conscious, thank God!

      I don't think that Toure' is out of his league with the rest of the young people on the program. Although, I consider him to be a light weight also. Did Boyce compare Toure' credentials with the others. He will grow, Toure said, in a Time's article this past week ,that his mother taught him that "you had to be better than them". That's sage teaching is all he needs to keep learning.

      Say what you want, from reading Dr. Boyce articles on his four (4) sites, they all lean to anti-Obama and now he's started on Toure', he comes off to me as a crab in a barrel. His words speaks louder than anything else. I say he's jealous as he can be!

    • Maya Randolph …but why can't we have a variety of voices,whites can have all flavors of critiques,from roger ebert to perez hilton…the truth of the matter is if watkins was real cool they would of had this convo over coffee @starbucks or some shit.

    • Toure has experience and knowledge of politics and has formal education from Morehouse and Columbia. He is a published author. Can you at least get your facts right. He has as much knowledge and insight and credential as his white counterparts on his show. Unlike you he gets his facts straight before opening his mouth.

  102. There is very little different from the entertainment media and the news media today. I remember when CNN hired D L Hugley to host his own show on their news network. MSNBC overlooking credible black journalist to hire Al Sharpton is another example of hiring unqualified black people.

    The black buffoon has always been popular and financially lucrative for the entertainment industry. The white news media is simply catching on to this fact. IMO mainstream white media has no credibility when concerning black people so I don’t care who they hire. I try to get my news information from different sources other than TV. We as black people need to spend our energy starting our own news networks and stop expecting fair treatment from whites.

  103. Someone please give Dr. Bitter Watkins a network gig so he can shut up. This entire article can be boiled down to the following, "Why does the media like Toure more than me? I have a degree." Zzzz.

    • He could be feelin a little bit salty. But I still consider Toure's sociopolitical commentary vapid and without substance to say the least.

    • My people, get that "he is only hating" psychology out of your minds. MOST OF THE TIME when you are criticized it's not because one is "hating on you" (jealous), it's most likely that you need to either step your game up or eliminate that dream. THAT HATERATION PHILOSOPHY IS JUST A LAME DEFENSE WHEN ONE LACKS ENOUGH CONFIDENCE IN HIMSELF TO EITHER DO BETTER OR ACHIEVE A GOAL. SO THEY HAVE TO COME UP WITH THAT "HE ONLY HATING" BULLSH*T". What's hilarious is, the ones who are really "hating" you are the ones your SLAVE-MINDED AZZEZ kiss up to on the plantations everyday when you sign or clock in on the plantation everyday. WAKE UP.

    • Rodney Buck Herring

      Hope I agree and disagree. I agree that "hating" is sometimes just valid criticism. In this instance though Watkins was really just hating.

    • I MUST MAKE SOMETHING CLEAR. I DON'T EVEN KNOW DR WATKINS. I JUST HAPPEN TO KNOW HOW TOURE IS REPPING MY PEOPLE ON MSNBC. NOW ON BET, HE FIT IN QUITE WELL-IF YOU RECALL. AND I ENJOYED WATCHING HIS "CHUCK D-LIKE BOLDNESS". HOWEVER SINCE THEN, HE HAS REPPED US POORLY AMONG A WHITE AUDIENCE THAT MAKES THEM ASK "THIS IS THE ONLY BLACK JOURNALIST YOU CAN FIND (OR AFFORD)?"
      DID YOU READ THE 7TH PARAGRAPH?
      "In addition to these “brilliant” remarks, Toure was also the man who got into a TWITTER ARGUMENTwith Roland Martin and joked about Martin not being ABLE TO HAVE KIDS (mind you, with his BLACK WIFE-NOT WHITE), which was a low and unnecessary blow. I admit that I wonder how Toure is aware of another man’s fertility status, and I also wonder what Roland’s ability to have kids has to do with the issue they were discussing at the time. In another interesting Toure highlight, there was the moment when he stated that Mitt Romney was trying to “NIGGERIZE” President Obama. Just a day later, Toure whimpered out the kind of pathetic apology that would only be uttered by a sad little man begging to keep his job."

      –THAT'S STATING THE FACTS. AND ASK YOURSELF: "WOULD TJ HOLMES MAKE STATEMENTS LIKE THAT?"

      REPEAT, I DIDN'T KNOW DR. WATKINS UNTIL I JOINED TWITTER. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS HE SAYS THAT I DISAGREE WITH. BUT THIS ONE, HE IS CORRECT.
      TOURE NEEDS TO WATCH WHAT HE SAYS AND REP BLACKS LIKE WE EXPECTED HIM TO DO. BECAUSE "NIGGERIZE" IS NOT EXPECTED TO COME OUT OF THE MOUTH OF A PROFESSIONAL BLACK ANCHOR. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHO IT IS.

    • You can't be serious, Buck? Toure's commentary is vapid and unqualified at best.

    • @Anti Intellect, I totally agree with you. But you know thats what happen when you make it to the big leagues.

    • To have a high degree of creative intelligence is a gift. When it comes to success and self improvement, hard work and persistence is the key. In my profession people with their degrees say the same about me, but I get the job done based on my experience and originality and not by being out of touch.

    • Rodney Buck Herring

      @Jef Tate…Toure's commentary may be vapid (lol) and unqualified the we're talking about Watkin's here. What's written here is just anger directed at another man's ambition. The more important that you think you should be, the less important you become.

    • Alison Purpleknightmom Emilien

      Hope Conteh I agree. The man is just stating facts. He' isn't "just hating". I'm glad he called it for what it is.

    • Can we bury the term "hating" when referring to serious intellectual discussions? What is factually wrong with this article?? What inferences drawn from the facts at hand are illogical?

    • I agree with you Hope. Toure is just comedic relief… he brings nothing to the table.

    • Hope Conteh – This guy appear s to have carved himself out a niche on an editorial type of show. I dont think any black person owes any other black person. He needs only to eat, drink, take care of his finances and try his best not to affect anyone in a negative manner.

    • Rodney Buck Herring ..100%…i don't if he goes in on all the 'reality,hip hop,record label,gucci bag,moscato,white zinfindel,bravo,vh1 shit,but thats the shit he needs to do an essay about…toure is a social critique plain and simple and watkins is critiquing him…toure has made it.

    • i meant 'i dont know'…i agree with you 100%

    • Congratulations brother. I think that you made the dumbest comment I've seen in quite a while. Not sure why you would defend a buffoon by questioning why I wrote this article, but it's ironic that you can't find anything intelligent to say except, "Damn homie…that dude Boyce Watkins just be hatin."

    • Where exactly is the substance in this 'top commenter's' post?

    • Hope Conteh Except this young man is being hated on…he is in the position so it's not a dream. Hid head isn't in the clouds……somebody thought he should be there…who the hell is anyone to say he shouldn't be…..that is exactly what hating is.

  104. Can you all get rid of the banner i had to dodge just to read this article

  105. I saw him on Piers Morgan's show back in March, and I keep wondering why he kept reciting big words as if he was about to take his SAT. He came across as pretentious and condescending.

  106. Is Toure the only one doing this, or his he the only black one doing this?
    The answer to this question is a test of black bias.

    • In answer to your question; no, he not the only one doing this. In my opinion, there are countless white people in media positions who are not qualified in any way whatsoever.

    • @MG:

      This cartoon character just said that because of his show on tell-a-LIE-vision! He needs to kiss these caucasoid’s asses to remain on his show.

      Remember, not to long ago he apologized for saying the word ‘niggerization’! So, he is fvcked up in the head, and needs a REAL REALITY CHECK.

      Wearing that ‘fro don’t mean a thang! Because he’s far from being Black-minded.

      CHECK

    • I agree with some of Boyce’s points about Toure. I remember when he was writing for Vibe in the ’90s.

      But to assume that he (Boyce) or the erratic Malveaux or any of these other so-called negro thought leaders are qualified to “define the direction of black America” is CRAZY. That would be like the blind leading the blind; like going to an insane asylum and asking a patient for guidance.

      No one should define anyone else’s life. All you talking heads need to chill.

    • MG@ We as a people find it hard to uplift our own. It comes from way back. It is equally hard for us to appreciate the successes of other blacks without tearing them down. There are thousands of unqualified whites on television, radio, political office, etc. etc., but will whites tear down theirs like we are willing to do? No.
      Let me tell you story to make my point: A white woman always spoke of how any white woman who came up to the counter at work was pretty. A particularly ‘plain’ white woman came to the county one day and my friend asked her co-worker if she was pretty. She answered, “she’s got pretty hands”.
      I do hope you get the story.

      Toure’ is not a spoke person for blacks and we shouldn’t expect him to be a spokesperson for blacks-he has a white wife some of his blackness is invested in that. Besides they are not going to pick another black they have Sharpton. in our history there has only been one Lena Horne or one black in anything. MSNBC has done an outstanding jobs of introducing conscious and unconscious blacks on their programs., especially, in these times. They will do better.

      If we had a comment to make like Boyce, he should have and we should write MSNBC. But getting on here putting ideas in our malleable heads is a bit much.

  107. Nakia Demetrius Robinson

    Toure started on BET at least that's where I first saw him as a commentary on entertainment and such…leave him there!

  108. I hate Toure dude is a suspect at best.

  109. Interesting argument but I have to disagree about the Kim Kardashian part. Dr. Watkins, Kim is famous for being pretty. Just like Marylin Monroe, Naomi Campbell, Anna Nichole. None had talent, this has been a basis for fame in our culture for years…………..

  110. I too, feel the same way, Is MSNBC, just filling a time slot?
    He's very much like several current Black comedians,
    they are their because some TV producer likes them i.e.,
    Steve Harvey, Tracy Morgan Kevin Hart.
    These individuals are TOKENS vs. Genuine & are NOT Funny at all!
    "Toure"certainly falls into the same category as you said,
    "cartoon characters who are famous for damn near nothing".

  111. He should go back to mtv

  112. WOW. I TOTALLY AGREE. I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ME FEELING THIS WAY ABOUT THIS DISGRACE.

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